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romeus petrus · Mar 12, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

and the discussion of which is better is just useless.

The discussion is about which one requires more skill and thus is more prestigious. It seems that some people insist that PvE titles and PvP titles require a comparable amount of skill. A point of view that I and a few other players in this forum strongly disagree with for reasons listed above.

PvE titles are a grind fest, it is a simple well known fact. How else do u max your LB/SS/norn/asuran/vanguard/dwarven/drunkard/wisdom/treasure hunter/vanquisher...just to list a few.

Redfeather1975 · Mar 12, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

How come you think all PvE titles are a grind fest?
I honestly can't see Legendary Guardian as a grind fest. I find beating bad players in PvP far less challenging and boring than getting masters in some missions in hard mode.
Many PvP titles can be achieved by beating bad players for a very long time.
I feel Champion however is the most prestigous PvP title, because you have no choice in how you get it. Sure you can use cheap builds, but it demands you are fighting a guild of high rank.
I still think Legandary Guardian and Champion are the 2 titles most accurately reflecting skill.

pamelf · Mar 12, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

I don't look at them to be honest...

I D E L E T E D I · Mar 12, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

How come you think all PvE titles are a grind fest?
I honestly can't see Legendary Guardian as a grind fest. I find beating bad players in PvP far less challenging and boring than getting masters in some missions in hard mode.
Many PvP titles can be achieved by beating bad players for a very long time.
I feel Champion however is the most prestigous PvP title, because you have no choice in how you get it. Sure you can use cheap builds, but it demands you are fighting a guild of high rank.
I still think Legandary Guardian and Champion are the 2 titles most accurately reflecting skill.

QFT these are the only 2 titles i would consider prestigious with champion > LG.

Titles such as Legendary Vanquisher, SS/LB, GWen Rep titles, etc now these are grind titles and although LV still requires a tad but of build making for your heros its still more of a grind than anything else.

kooomar · Mar 12, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by .defekt

This is ridiculous. I would really LOVE to see a bunch of PvE scrubs enter HA and try to grind some fame. See, the thing is, you have to actually have the skill to beat another team of actual people. Not a group of shadow elementals that do the exact same thing every time you agro them.

But sure, go ahead, I'd love to see how you do. I'm sure 5 fame will be a really good achievement.

So... not to sound like a dick, as I do both, am r10 hero and have 29 maxed titles, but ever single person that does HA STARTED as someone that did PvE. And we all grinded fame to start with. Granted, I'm sure people like you bought the game 3 years ago and went straight to HA, and never did PvE, but for the rest of us, we started with PvE before HA.

maraxusofk · Mar 12, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

.........doesnt exactly take skill to win ha for the last time. wtfbbqomg

.defekt · Mar 12, 2008, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Yeah, I understand, and yeah ofc I started with PvE. The dude was talking as though you can jump from PvE straight to PvP and win. Doesn't really work like that, you have to spend a fair bit of time learning tactics/maps and all that shit, not to mention low rank pug's fail ;b

Res Ipsi · Mar 12, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by .defekt

you have to spend a fair bit of time learning tactics/maps and all that shit, not to mention low rank pug's fail ;b

So by your definition, the difference between PvE and PvP is context-dependent "skill" (aka experience). I'll buy that.

The Way Out · Mar 12, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

The discussion is about which one requires more skill and thus is more prestigious. It seems that some people insist that PvE titles and PvP titles require a comparable amount of skill. A point of view that I and a few other players in this forum strongly disagree with for reasons listed above.

PvE titles are a grind fest, it is a simple well known fact. How else do u max your LB/SS/norn/asuran/vanguard/dwarven/drunkard/wisdom/treasure hunter/vanquisher...just to list a few.

PvP titles are more of a grindfest for me, and I run into the same issues with PvE...

Enter mission, live or die, change build, Enter mission, live or die, change build, Enter mission, live or die, change build... etc...

Neither PvP nor PvE are inherently hard. You just need practice at both. Also, when I first started PvE I sucked... now I don't. When I first started PvP I got pwnd by people, now I don't. I think PvP players have strayed to far from PvE to realize that it had challenge for them at some point. They assume that they can just waltz in and pwn everything. lol

FrAnt1c² · Mar 12, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

The discussion is about which one requires more skill and thus is more prestigious. It seems that some people insist that PvE titles and PvP titles require a comparable amount of skill. A point of view that I and a few other players in this forum strongly disagree with for reasons listed above.

PvE titles are a grind fest, it is a simple well known fact. How else do u max your LB/SS/norn/asuran/vanguard/dwarven/drunkard/wisdom/treasure hunter/vanquisher...just to list a few.

Pve titles also take a lot of dedication to obtain, and for those eotn titles you also have to do quests/dungeons whatever, so it's not only grinding.

Imo Heroway/bloodspike/rangerspike/paraspike/whatever in HA is Fame grinding, so no difference in that imo...

romeus petrus · Mar 12, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

They assume that they can just waltz in and pwn everything. lol

Waltz in = use PvE skills

romeus petrus · Mar 12, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Imo Heroway/bloodspike/rangerspike/paraspike/whatever in HA is Fame grinding, so no difference in that imo...

I can tell you one little difference: You are using them against real human players who are trying to counter you. Not some brainless AI that does the exact same thing every time you aggro.

sunnyshine · Mar 12, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

To me, the most prestigious titles are skills and KoaBD. Only because I know how much work I have been putting into both. And I haven't been going for the drunkard/sweet tooth titles because, to me, they are a waste of my time. But I don't go for titles for recognition but because I enjoy it and I want it. To the point where I can become slightly obsessive. I just find titles a fun part of the game.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 12, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Guardian and vanquisher matter because they take a degree of skill. The rest of the PvE titles are meaningless.

For the PvP titles, champion > hero > gladiator > Kurzick/Luxon > hero battles

The Way Out · Mar 12, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

I can tell you one little difference: You are using them against real human players who are trying to counter you. Not some brainless AI that does the exact same thing every time you aggro.

I have defended this point sometimes, except, you almost always know what you are going to face now in PvP. There are not many variations of team builds out there. People normally stick to what works and rarely deter from it. Every once in awhile you are thrown a curveball. I have been PvPing on my other account for awhile now and encounter the same lame ass team builds all the time.

tmakinen · Mar 12, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Well, I don't think that there is any competition, Champion wins hands down. If you think of any PvE title, it's just a matter of tenacity. Anything on the PvE side yields when you throw enough resources at it (and naturally avoid being a total moron as well). On the PvP side, for every title except Champion you must only be better than some percentage of the playerbase and the points will eventually accumulate. Even the worst player in the game may get the occasional point when leeching off of a PUG. If you are strictly average, 50% of matches you'll be beaten to pulp but it doesn't matter since the other 50% of matches you're facing even worse players than you. Now Champion is totally different. You must be among the most skilled 0.01% of the entire playerbase to even get a go at it, and you actually have to win somebody of the same magnitude to earn that point.

I'm a predominantly PvE player myself and I see my currently maxed 28 titles as an indication of time spent doing PvE, just the same as people who farm Hero, Gladiator, Gamer or Commander points - to each their own. However, I do take notice when I see a Champion, since no amount of time will give you that title if you aren't pretty darned good at what you're doing.

Into White · Mar 12, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Well, I don't think that there is any competition, Champion wins hands down. If you think of any PvE title, it's just a matter of tenacity. Anything on the PvE side yields when you throw enough resources at it (and naturally avoid being a total moron as well). On the PvP side, for every title except Champion you must only be better than some percentage of the playerbase and the points will eventually accumulate. Even the worst player in the game may get the occasional point when leeching off of a PUG. If you are strictly average, 50% of matches you'll be beaten to pulp but it doesn't matter since the other 50% of matches you're facing even worse players than you. Now Champion is totally different. You must be among the most skilled 0.01% of the entire playerbase to even get a go at it, and you actually have to win somebody of the same magnitude to earn that point.

I'm a predominantly PvE player myself and I see my currently maxed 28 titles as an indication of time spent doing PvE, just the same as people who farm Hero, Gladiator, Gamer or Commander points - to each their own. However, I do take notice when I see a Champion, since no amount of time will give you that title if you aren't pretty darned good at what you're doing.

i agree. if you have the time and commitment to play on a first rate team then this title signifies the most accomplishment. as for myself, i'm perfectly satisfied with my wolfie

maraxusofk · Mar 12, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by sunnyshine

To me, the most prestigious titles are skills and KoaBD.

depends on tier for skills. i know ppl who can get 5k pts a day in the wintersday snowball event. hell its even easy getting 500pts a day. just takes like 3 hours.

Zaris · Mar 12, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Champion r5+
And maybe r6 koabd

Cure For Road Rage · Mar 12, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

having grinded 8 (count'em, they make me sick) glad points in one week, I can honestly say that no, glad title ain't easy to get. to all those of you who propose that glad title is nothing more than time/grind, let me ask: should sheer fanatical patience be applauded? i'm thinking, Hell Yeah! not that i'm fanatical or anything, of course.
as for legendary guardian=pay for runs. nuts.
p.s. stop bringing daze to pvp, it makes my life so much harder ^_^